[osi-edu-discuss] PLEASE READ DRAFT RESPONSE Re: Introducing the TWIN Community

[Gururaj B.S.]

Great. Thanks!
I'll let our community know about what we've discussed and agreed on so far.
I've some ideas about how we can educate students. Will write in a
separate post.
Thanks, Guru

On 3/20/09, Andrew Oliver <acoliver at gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd.  Perfect!  What we need right now is help organizing the effort
> along the lines of outlining the material.  I suggest that the first
> focus should be on the "lightning talks".  Basically a 45m-1hr long
> intro designed for secondary and college aged students describing why
> you should care about open source, what it is, how it is different,
> where you can learn more and how to get involved (as a lay person or
> computer science type).
>
> -Andy
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Gururaj B.S. <gururaj.bs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks, Andrew.
>>
>> I did not get the real draft.  All I saw was your post on the publicly
>> archived list.
>>
>> Anyway, here are my suggestions:
>> a) I agree that we can work together on the OSI education initiative.
>> So yes to this.
>>
>> b) TWIN is not looking for any organizational attribution.  If you
>> offer attribution to individuals, that is enough.  TWIN is acting as a
>> conduit between its community members (writers, that is) and the OSI
>> education team.  When the OSI education team or initiative needs
>> writing support, you can let me know.  I will make sure that such
>> opportunities are shared with our writers' community.  In other words,
>> TWIN wants to "support" OSI and its education initiative.    In
>> addition, TWIN is trying to help writers find such opportunities, so
>> its members (3300+, and all for free) can benefit in terms of
>> learning, experience, and satisfaction.
>>
>> c) Yes, TWIN will do its best to help OSI's education team to fulfill
>> their mission and objectives.
>>
>> Please confirm.  I will share this news with our community.   Also,
>> please send me some information about the education initiative of OSI.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Guru
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Oliver <acoliver at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I did send you a real draft.  It is unfortunate that I mistakenly sent
>>> a draft intended to get the board members help me come up with an
>>> intelligible response to the publicly archived list.  I'm not sure why
>>> you're responding to the draft and not the final copy.  A board member
>>> responded that his read did not include link sharing and that draft
>>> was explicitly rejected as a response and was not sent (instead I sent
>>> a relevant reply).
>>>
>>> The problem with what you originally proposed is that two loose
>>> associations of individuals or groups cannot easily cooperate.  We do
>>> not have the resources at OSI to serve as the funnel for all open
>>> source projects to TWIN as we do not have a direct association with
>>> those projects.
>>>
>>> The education project is a much better opportunity for collaboration
>>> as OSI is directing it.  However there remains the issue of
>>> attribution and organizational attribution.  On one hand, I've no
>>> problem attributing contributors (provided we develop a consensus on
>>> this), however that will probably have to be between TWIN and the
>>> contributors as to whether they attribute TWIN.
>>>
>>> We aren't yet to the point to say "please work on this specific task
>>> or document" but are still in the stage of formulating it and can
>>> certainly use help with that!
>>>
>>> So my message is this:  Welcome!  Please help us fulfill our mission.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Gururaj B.S. <gururaj.bs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> I just read your response to my introductory message posted at
>>>> http://members.opensource.org/pipermail/osi-edu-discuss/Week-of-Mon-20090223/000006.html.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I subscribed to this list to follow these discussions.
>>>>
>>>> I am not talking about ads here.  We're a totally non-commercial
>>>> community, so the ad part is ruled out.  And I am not even hinting at
>>>> link sharing.
>>>>
>>>> Great to learn that you are starting an education initiative.  That's
>>>> the kind of collaboration I had in mind when I sent you my previous
>>>> message.  What I am proposing is that we (TWIN) as a community of
>>>> writers join hands with your community to work on one of your projects
>>>> that need documentation support.  As you said, we could contribute to
>>>> your education project.  You can offer attribution to our writers,
>>>> while I can make sure that TWIN also recognizes such volunteers in the
>>>> writing community.  In addition, job seekers in the writing community
>>>> can use such documentation (whatever writing they are doing for the
>>>> education project) as sample writing when they meet with a prospective
>>>> employer.  Your writing work gets done, and our writers benefit from
>>>> the opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> This is the kind of collaboration I am proposing.  Please consider and
>>>> revert to me as soon as you can.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gururaj
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You said:
>>>>
>>>> From: Andrew Oliver <acoliver at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM
>>>> Subject: PLEASE READ DRAFT RESPONSE Re: Introducing the TWIN Community
>>>> To: osi at opensource.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Intent: No...maybe we'll have ways to give you ads in the future if
>>>> you give us money....but we also could use help with education and
>>>> here is how you accomplish some of your goal by helping us with
>>>> that...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gururaj,
>>>>
>>>> OSI does not presently engage in link sharing style arrangements.
>>>> Moreover, since open source projects are independently operated, while
>>>> there are probably thousands of projects that could use this kind of
>>>> help, they are not directly connected to our site anyhow.  We will be
>>>> launching a sponsorship program that may include a link program, once
>>>> we launch it we will contact you regarding sponsorship opportunities.
>>>>
>>>> ... need ideas here ...
>>>> OSI is launching a new education initiative that could benefit from
>>>> experienced writers.  An obvious approach would be to participate and
>>>> contribute to the project from email addresses @twin-india.org.
>>>> Presumably we will be able to offer attribution in the materials that
>>>> we're developing.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Andrew C. Oliver
>>>> Board Observer
>>>> Open Source Initiative
>>>>
>>>
>>
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